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Post by admin on Oct 3, 2005 23:46:03 GMT -5
This is the admin from this board speaking....
One of the rules for this board is no flaming. Please, if you want to have an arguement and fight about such things, take it somewhere else. This is a peaceful board and we want to keep it friendly and an uplifting place. I ask that you please do not insult one another. If you can not debate in a respectful manner, then please do not debate here.
Thanks.
Your admininstrator, Shan
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Post by matthew on Oct 4, 2005 0:56:33 GMT -5
I never stated that happiness was the purpose. You implied that Christians believed Heaven was about eternal happiness. And anyways, what if there is a god . . . then you die, and live in heaven forever? And you're happy . . . forever? So? What does happyness mean? You like the feeling? Why does it matter? Why does God matter even if he exists? Humans go and live on forever happily because they never sinned. So? As I see it, you're giving God importance. I don't believe that is a valid Christian belief, so I thought i should mention it
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Post by lhw on Oct 4, 2005 3:48:24 GMT -5
I think there's one thing here that everyone's totally missing, so I feel I should mention it...
I like cheese.
There. Now that you know that, things should settle down. ;D
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Post by matthew on Oct 4, 2005 3:52:05 GMT -5
The universe is made of cheese.
There are a few holes in my theory, but I believe that implicitly ;D
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Post by lhw on Oct 4, 2005 4:02:49 GMT -5
And here I thought you were English, not Swiss. Cheese...holes...Swiss Cheese... Ah, nevermind.
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Post by YO on Oct 4, 2005 8:06:14 GMT -5
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Post by Gwen on Oct 4, 2005 13:11:34 GMT -5
I think there's one thing here that everyone's totally missing, so I feel I should mention it... I like cheese. There. Now that you know that, things should settle down. ;D LOL ;D i'm a red leicester girl! all the way!! maybe a bit of edam if i'm lucky!!
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Post by lhw on Oct 4, 2005 13:52:51 GMT -5
Muenster, Colby, Mild Cheddar, or Baby Swiss for me. In a pinch, though, any cheese is a good cheese.
Long live the dairy cows that produce cheese!! ;D
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Post by bethany54 on Oct 7, 2005 10:04:28 GMT -5
This actually is a much more interesting thread than I first thought it might be. Is God real or is God just a myth? I am very happy to inform you that God is real!Religion the other hand is false. Religion drives people away from God.
So how do I know that God is real? I know because I have a relationship with Him. God is my Father. . . . the only real parent I have ever known. He comforts me when I am hurting and loves me when I am being bratty. He provides for me in miraculous ways. He disiplines me and then forgives me. He is my Father.
If you don't know Him, then I feel sorry for you because you miss much joy. God is NOT Santa Claus though and many people tend to believe that to be so. God is not through talking and He speaks fresh new words to us each day. Unfortunately many people are "too busy" to listen or too hardheaded. But He is there waiting for us to aknowledge Him. All we have to do is to turn around and let His wonderous grace sweep over us and then we cannot deny Him any longer.
May God bless each of you very richly and I pray that I am blessed with some smoked gouda.
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Post by (((Thump))) *bounces* on Oct 7, 2005 18:38:45 GMT -5
It's amazing to think how I once questioned this very thought myself until faced with situations where I start to pray to the very person I wasn't sure really even existed. One day my daughter will be asking me this very question and without even a second thought, I will tell her that God is very real and there are so many people around us that is all the proof she needs.
BTW, could I get some Provolone cheese, please? Imported straight from Italy of course. ;D
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Post by lostsoul on Oct 23, 2005 15:37:08 GMT -5
hi i wud get into the debate but i gotta get off in a mo and im on holiday tmro but i belive in god but then agen thats wat ive grown up to be as: a christian (btw my dads a minister) but i belive God is real and there are so many resons why he is. ah sum 1 sed be4 in heaven well be happy 4ever my opinion is id rather that then be hated sadened and tortured in hell forever ill talk sum other time cya 4 now the lost soul
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Post by Gwen on Oct 23, 2005 17:24:42 GMT -5
i thought we were talking about cheese?
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Post by guardian on Oct 23, 2005 22:16:08 GMT -5
Id like to point something out...
a guy i was talking to a while back said that God wasn't real because a lot of bad things had happened in his life that year, and the year before, he had many good things happen. He told me that God was not real because if he was, then he would only want to best for us, and that he had done terribly to me that year...
so that was his statement... here was mine.
You except good from the Lord, and yet you curse the Lord when he does not what you wanted... Should we not take good of God and bad also?
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Post by lostsoul on Oct 24, 2005 7:28:38 GMT -5
ah yes cheese......i like cheese especially if its cheese on toast lol....
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Post by Michael on Oct 24, 2005 17:19:02 GMT -5
Religion drives people away from God. Actually, I think it may be organized religion. And hypocritical casual Christians. Those are the ''Christians" who say they believe one thing but don't go along with it and by casual . . . people who say they are Christians but do not live the Christ-like style or do not read, pray, or even have a relationship with God other than the "Oh, God's my god and He's the best and beats all. . ." relationship. . . Get me? And when people of the world see that, they may think that there isn't any use to even go to Church or become a Christian. If all Christians were that way, there would be no reason. ^ What's that? ^ Bad things happen to people because of their choices. When God allows something to happen to you it is becuase He believes that you will make it through. Why else would He allow it? So He can watch us trip and fall? I think not. There is an effect for everything we do. Our conciquences are based on our choices. And if we choice wrongly (is that a word ) we may be affected in a way that may hurt. A lot of times our choices is what makes a day bad or not. Same with a week, month, or year. And when bad things happen we would rather blame God than blaming ourselves and our bad choices. So the moral of my story. . . Just because bad things happen to us does not mean that God isn't around. You just have to look with your "spiritual" eyes to find Him. You can acquire "spiritual" eyes through reading the Word and praying and having a good relationship with God. . . other than your Night Time Prayer and Blessings/Grace. I don't like cheese. . . only when it's melted between two slabs- lol, funny way to think of it- of bread.
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Post by guardian on Oct 24, 2005 18:56:31 GMT -5
exactly ;D
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Post by bethany54 on Oct 25, 2005 21:49:02 GMT -5
Religion drives people away from God. Actually, I think it may be organized religion. And hypocritical casual Christians. Those are the ''Christians" who say they believe one thing but don't go along with it and by casual . . . people who say they are Christians but do not live the Christ-like style or do not read, pray, or even have a relationship with God other than the "Oh, God's my god and He's the best and beats all. . ." relationship. . . Get me? And when people of the world see that, they may think that there isn't any use to even go to Church or become a Christian. If all Christians were that way, there would be no reason. Kinda my point exactly. Religion is man trying to put God in a nice tidy little box that they can take out and show of on Sundays. God is all about relationship. Jesus invented Christianity but man invented denominations and all sorts of ungodlike rules that hurt people. Religion (or churches if that term pleases you better) . . . drive a wedge between many people and God because the churches tend to overwhelm some seekers with all the crazy things they say one must do or not do in order to please God. God doesn't care if I wear pants or even shorts as long as I am modestly dressed. He doesn't say that I can't dye my hair purple or that I can't cut it. He doesn't care if I drink Coke, dance at a party, or go to see my doctor. Some churches think that all those things are major sins. It's cheese! I also like Pepper Jack a lot. Pepper Jack is Jack cheese with jalepenos in it. Today I had a grilled cheese sandwich with pepper jack on rye bread and she used garlic butter to toast it with. Mmm gooooood!
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Post by guardian on Oct 25, 2005 23:59:45 GMT -5
religion isnt exactly what you think... there are many religions, and each of them worship the Lord, or their "god" in a different way. Christians don't worship God only on Sundays, worship can come in many different types of ways, prayer is worship, because you are in connection with God, asking and talking to him. So i think you should refraze what you said about religion, because some religions are right in their beliefs, some are wrong... because there has to be a right and a wrong between them... there are way too many religions, and they dont all worship the same god. Anyways, you have religion all wrong, and should think through what your writing before you write it.
also, its not our fault that man created these rules that many religions believe are true, and that may hurt people, we are not perfect, and God knew that we wouldn't be perfect... But, he will allways love you, he does not hate, he can be dissapointed, or sad, but not hate. he will allways forgive you if you apologize and meen it. Although, you dont "have" to apologize... you can accept Christ into your heart, and do some sins, and not apoligize for them... but still go to Heaven, because once the Lord is truely with you, he will never leave you. you speak about religion as if it were a crime... but humans are not perfect... we all make mistakes.
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Post by matthew on Oct 26, 2005 13:45:28 GMT -5
The meaning of religion is open to different interpretions. The actual origins of the word itself are obscure. The Oxford english dictionary traces it back to the Latin 'Religio-onis', meaning 'obligation, bond , reverence'. I have read elsewhere that the word re-ligio means 'link back, or bind. So the idea...at least the way I'm seeing it... is to rejoin with the divine. In Hinduism the word Yoga (to join, unite), carries much the same meaning. It is interesting that the word yoga is etomologically connected (both words are derived from archaic indo-european language), with the English word Yoke.
So when i think of the term religion it brings to mind the words of Jesus:
Come to me, all who are burdened, and i will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for i am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Matthew 11:28-30 niv
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Post by James on Oct 26, 2005 15:11:59 GMT -5
Wow this has turned into a 5 page thread. If you believe god is real then he is. If you believe your making god there for you therefore he is real to you. But if you don't believe there is always something little there I'm not trying to say its God. Say if the there was nothing no universe or anything else, nothing there has to be something there to be nothing. I've worried about this many times. It leads on to many other things. But overall my opinion is theres something might not be God but something...
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