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Post by Guardian Assassin on Sept 27, 2005 14:36:03 GMT -5
A person who says that God isnt real should be afraid. because, say God really isnt real... what next? well lets see... there would be no point to life itself really. how was the earth created? evolution must be fake because it is mathamatically impossible for life to have formed by chance. Heres another little trick... if God isnt real, then how and why would there me the Bible? the bible has been around for as long as i could trace history back, and still stay accurate. Also, if God isnt real, what happens after we die? blackness darkness? well scientists say that eventually the Earth will become too close to the suns gravitational pull, and end life. So if God isnt real... im just asking you....... arent you scared? i know i would be.....
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Sept 27, 2005 17:32:56 GMT -5
You might want think about that... and next time... dont start a topic with "God isnt real" unless you've thought about it first... you may not ever come to know the Lord... but you will never sway a Christian. For once you know the Lord, you undertsnad that he is real, and that God will guide you above the clouds to Heaven in the end of it all and separate us from the non-believers. Then when God may weep and you you feel the assid rain passes past your body, and into the Christians, and you feel the warmth and pure holiness... you will have regretted ever starting that topic...
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Post by Guy on Sept 30, 2005 19:14:53 GMT -5
. . . It's happening again. Someone is stating religion as fact.
When you state your opinion as fact, people believe it less.
I'm not scared, I just live. I've made up my mind, and no, I don't think there is much point in life. The only way to find out really is to die.
When you've died, you can tell me what is true. Until then, you'll just look like a fool in my eyes. A narrow minded fool with no self-decided fact in the world.
It seems a lot of people are so self-righteous that they are right. So right that I don't give a d**n, you live in your own world trying to convert others.
And anyways, what if there is a god . . . then you die, and live in heaven forever? And you're happy . . . forever?
So? What does happyness mean? You like the feeling? Why does it matter? Why does God matter even if he exists?
Humans go and live on forever happily because they never sinned. So? As I see it, you're giving God importance.
I think you know what I'm saying. But, if you don't, think about how everything would be meaningless if God didn't exist. You die and then that's it.
Bam, now god exists. You're soul lives on. Why does that matter? Because God said so? Why does God matter? Happyness and pain?
Why?
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Post by Gwen on Sept 30, 2005 19:30:42 GMT -5
Guy, i find what you're saying interesting & you've raised some interesting points, but isn't this kinda dogged questioning gonna inflame people? I could understand if this was Theology 101 but this is a Christian Board...operative word: Christ
Everybody here truly believes in God...apart from erm, me (or so i think) ... i doubt anything you say would dissuade them... just possibly upset...
love ~Niniane~
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Post by matthew on Sept 30, 2005 20:10:38 GMT -5
It bothers me when someone states something as fact without actually having some kind of connective experience, but I would never hate them, because of it.
Perhaps a little tolerence is in order here, Guy. No one can be truly open-minded. We are all coloured to some degree by our cultural surroundings, upbringing, personal circumstances, etc. no one has a pure knowledge of things. The way we percieve the world is always tainted.
To dogmatically believe that one belief system (be it, theism, duelism, monism, polytheism, pantheism, agnoticism, atheism, etc) is right while all others are wrong is one way to try and counteract this problem and restore individual/collective harmony. Although sometimes it can go badly wrong and destroy individuals, communities, countries, worlds.
We are all at different stages in our lives, and beliefs, opinions, ideas can change over time. My understanding of Spirituality is very different to what it was 8 years ago. I feel I have progressed and grown closer to God.
What we need is a true foundation. not one built on aggression or hate or acusation, or even Knowledge, but one of Love and goodness. These are the things that lie at the heart of Jesus teaching. Perhaps if we had these qualities, the truth about the nature and purpose of existence would soon follow.
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Sept 30, 2005 22:14:10 GMT -5
. . . It's happening again. Someone is stating religion as fact. When you state your opinion as fact, people believe it less. I'm not scared, I just live. I've made up my mind, and no, I don't think there is much point in life. The only way to find out really is to die. When you've died, you can tell me what is true. Until then, you'll just look like a fool in my eyes. A narrow minded fool with no self-decided fact in the world. It seems a lot of people are so self-righteous that they are right. So right that I don't give a d**n, you live in your own world trying to convert others. And anyways, what if there is a god . . . then you die, and live in heaven forever? And you're happy . . . forever? So? What does happyness mean? You like the feeling? Why does it matter? Why does God matter even if he exists? Humans go and live on forever happily because they never sinned. So? As I see it, you're giving God importance. I think you know what I'm saying. But, if you don't, think about how everything would be meaningless if God didn't exist. You die and then that's it. Bam, now god exists. You're soul lives on. Why does that matter? Because God said so? Why does God matter? Happyness and pain? Why? It is not about the people of this earth... it is about God. i set the period at this. i swade u not, for the Lord gives all a choice. and the chioce is Him, or death. You ask me what is happiness? and why does God matter? well why do we matter? Because God loves us and withought him there is nothingness... foolish humans as us all consider ourselfs so important... but never stop to think of why is it all there for us... God is the answer... God is the Beginning, the End, and the Present. and anyone who strays for from the rode of righteousness is strayed from the meening of life... not ourselfs... but the creator.
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Post by Gwen on Oct 1, 2005 19:04:53 GMT -5
No one can be truly open-minded. We are all coloured to some degree by our cultural surroundings, upbringing, personal circumstances, etc. no one has a pure knowledge of things. The way we percieve the world is always tainted. i really like that M@ i'm gonna hafta write it down
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Post by Guy on Oct 1, 2005 22:09:54 GMT -5
Fine, you win.
I refuse to participate in any sort of debate where people state fact in what they can not prove.
And I guess it doesn't matter since I'm not the correct religion to be right here.
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Oct 1, 2005 23:11:07 GMT -5
if proof is what u seek... then read The Holy Bible
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Post by Guy on Oct 1, 2005 23:43:13 GMT -5
Events from the bible may be true, but non of the ones that have been confirmed prove god.
It's not proof.
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Oct 2, 2005 0:10:50 GMT -5
Douting Thomis... must you see to believe? events from the past are written in books as well... are we sure that they are true? History itself is not proof... unless books are the proof in which we seek... why read, unless you want answers? why do you want proof so much... Do you believe with your eyes?
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Post by Guy on Oct 2, 2005 0:16:47 GMT -5
. . .
You're justing finding things to say now. You can very well sit down and think and find the differences between a history book and the bible to know why the point in your post isn't valid.
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Oct 2, 2005 0:22:41 GMT -5
really... isnt a history book just a book that was reocrded by ppl as they lived through that period of time? well so is the Bible. so really there is no difference between the history book and the Bible, except that some ppl are forced not to educate themselves on the Bible, and that the Bible goes much farther back than our current History Books.
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Oct 2, 2005 0:41:10 GMT -5
if ive got you stumped on that... just to think- im a 13 year old boy in the seventh grade... do you think every kid my age could have expressed how God is real to you as i did? if proof was what u wanted... i think youve found it... whether you believe it now or not is up to u... but, if u choose to follow God, whats the loss? God has gifted my the ability to speak to you in ways which you will oneday undertsnad how God is real...
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Post by matthew on Oct 2, 2005 4:04:38 GMT -5
No one can be truly open-minded. We are all coloured to some degree by our cultural surroundings, upbringing, personal circumstances, etc. no one has a pure knowledge of things. The way we percieve the world is always tainted. i really like that M@ i'm gonna hafta write it down hehe, cool. Thanks Gwen ;D
Having an open mind is good, but it's not enough to accept the truths of God. What's important is an open-heart. It's only when our hearts are open, and we step outside the confines of our own perceptions and understanding, that God's Spirit can work in our hearts, and magically (it seems like some kind of magic to me) give us the ability to believe. 'Proof' is something that the Spirit of God alone can give. I don't believe, as Guy mentioned above, that Happiness is the ultimate purpose God has for our lives. Heaven is not about happiness. Happiness is merely an aspect, while the totality is unity with God. That's the ultimate purpose for our lives, to truly live in a state of At-One-Ment with God, and each other. "No Eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"
but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
...We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in Spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not except the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are Spiritually discerned. From a letter written By Paul of Tarsus to a Church in Corinth (1 Corinthians 2: 9-10, 12-14 NIV). Sorry if the biblical quote is a bit long, but that's my experience of things.
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Post by Guy on Oct 3, 2005 16:43:11 GMT -5
I never stated that happiness was the purpose.
Gaurdian, you never "expressed how God is real." The events in history books were written down by many a people at the time they happened. Plus, it all interlocks together, all the events correspond over many different countries and culters.
The Bible, however, doesn't. There aren't hundreds of jounals, or even dozens of recordings of first hand witnesses of the miricals in the Bible, which can be found today. And also, notice how the acts of God have teetered off towards more managable dates.
I don't mind a balanced debate, but I have a problem with you. You can't just state the possibilities. No, you just have to be right. You think you're right, so why not post as if everyone else has your exact opinion and your some holy angel? Oh wait, you did. Get over yourself. If you want to share something, put it out there, don't try and inject it into me.
So far nothing you have posted is proof. Please, think out your posts, and have some common etiquette.
Oh, I'm only a year older than you. Apperently I have the ability to tell the difference between what's fact and opinion. I must be gifted.
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Oct 3, 2005 19:45:37 GMT -5
you know nothing. theres no help for u. u will hear the words of the Lord saying to u "Desend from me to the Pits of Hell Forever" and i care not of any posts u have to counter this. it does not matter.
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Post by Guy on Oct 3, 2005 20:49:45 GMT -5
I can't tell you how hard it is to take the statement "u will hear the words of the Lord saying to u "Desend from me to the Pits of Hell Forever" and i care not of any posts u have to counter this. it does not matter." seriously.
I'm almost sure you would feel the same way if someone said "i think not of god exists."
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Post by Guardian Assassin on Oct 3, 2005 20:56:44 GMT -5
no, i would laugh. because it is funny how someone is so willing to stick with that, and then at the end of their life, they will be the fool.
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Post by Another guy on Oct 3, 2005 21:01:12 GMT -5
Back, for one thing: you know nothing. theres no help for u. u will hear the words of the Lord saying to u "Desend from me to the Pits of Hell Forever" and i care not of any posts u have to counter this. it does not matter. Way to keep an open mind there, Sport. BTW, My family's Christian, they don't believe in Hell. Rather, they believe in reincarnation until you get things right. One reason contributing to my stance on religion is their open, loose views. By all means, believe what you will, but put some thought into it, for goodness sake, don't blindly follow. And a bit of advice: If you're in seventh grade, don't get into arguments like this.
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