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Post by nateyboy on Feb 27, 2007 23:18:12 GMT -5
Do you believe in the rapture at all and if so when do you think it will happen? (aka; Pre,Mid,Post.) Please back up your beliefs with scripture not speculation.
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Post by savedbygrace on Feb 28, 2007 8:29:20 GMT -5
Hmm. . .I'm really not sure. I'm torn between Mid and Post.
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Post by shanny on Feb 28, 2007 22:15:17 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not sure, either. When I was in Bible college we kinda talked about pan-trib  Which is it will all pan out in the end  I honestly don't know if we will ever truly know when it is, because as Jesus said. Even he doesn't know the time or date of when His Father will return. We just have to have faith that He will. |
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Post by Michael on Feb 28, 2007 22:42:29 GMT -5
I believe Pre-Trib for two reasons:
1. I was born into a Pentacostal chuch and was taught that. The Church of God teaches is and it is one of our beliefs.
2. I really do believe that if God loved his creation so much that he'd send his son to die for us, I really think his love wouldn't allow him to allow us [those who are saved] to go through the Tribulation. He'd save us from that just as he saved us from eternal death when sent his son and when we recieved Christ as our Lord and Saviour.
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Post by savedbygrace on Mar 1, 2007 8:51:59 GMT -5
Well Michael, I was Charismatic some years back (baptized there too) and I don't believe in pre-trib.
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Post by nateyboy on Mar 1, 2007 12:21:40 GMT -5
I believe Pre-Trib for two reasons: 1. I was born into a Pentacostal chuch and was taught that. The Church of God teaches is and it is one of our beliefs. 2. I really do believe that if God loved his creation so much that he'd send his son to die for us, I really think his love wouldn't allow him to allow us [those who are saved] to go through the Tribulation. He'd save us from that just as he saved us from eternal death when sent his son and when we recieved Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Errr so no scripture to back that up? Problem with that assumption is it has never happened before. God has always allowed persecution. He never saved the early Church and the apostles from it. Nor did he spare the Israelites in Egypt for some of the plagues (that with some other scriptural reference is why I believe in mid/post.) Paul told us to consider pure joy brothers when you go through trails of many kinds for it is things like this that build perseverance (paraphrasing) See my point? |
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Post by Michael on Mar 1, 2007 23:38:25 GMT -5
Well Michael, I was Charismatic some years back (baptized there too) and I don't believe in pre-trib. I'm not, however, Charismatic. There is a difference in Charismatic Church of God and Pentacostal Church of God. I'm the latter. Actually, there is scripture to back it up but because I am not wanting to get into a debate, I left it out. This message board was created for the purposes of building friendships and both I and the other two admins felt that debates only caused division. However, here is an article which supports the Pre-Trib Rapture, but that is as much as I will post. Now, I understand you point and even why you would believe in the post-trib rapture. That doesn't make it right though. The Bible is an open book for everyone to interpret in their own way. However, we have to allow the Holy Spirit to interpret it to us. I believe what I do, because I believe with all my heart that the Holy Spirit impressed this interpretation upon me and those who have taught me. If you call this speculation, that is fine. That is my opinion and belief. Jesus said that there are sheep in other folds. I have other brother and sisters in Christ and our beliefs differ. The things that makes us related though, is our relationship with God. That is all. One thing though, please try not to make this into a debate. A discussion is fine, but please, not debating. And also, don't accuse anyone's opinions or beliefs speculation because to that person, it is not, and feelings can be hurt. And cause division amongst the board. So please... keep in mind, don't say anything that you know you wouldn't want someone to say to you. |
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Post by savedbygrace on Mar 2, 2007 7:48:03 GMT -5
Yes I know. ^^ You made it quite clear once before that you were not Charismatic.
That may not always be the case.
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Post by nateyboy on Mar 2, 2007 13:30:19 GMT -5
Well Michael, I was Charismatic some years back (baptized there too) and I don't believe in pre-trib. I'm not, however, Charismatic. There is a difference in Charismatic Church of God and Pentacostal Church of God. I'm the latter. Actually, there is scripture to back it up but because I am not wanting to get into a debate, I left it out. This message board was created for the purposes of building friendships and both I and the other two admins felt that debates only caused division. However, here is an article which supports the Pre-Trib Rapture, but that is as much as I will post. Now, I understand you point and even why you would believe in the post-trib rapture. That doesn't make it right though. The Bible is an open book for everyone to interpret in their own way. However, we have to allow the Holy Spirit to interpret it to us. I believe what I do, because I believe with all my heart that the Holy Spirit impressed this interpretation upon me and those who have taught me. If you call this speculation, that is fine. That is my opinion and belief. Jesus said that there are sheep in other folds. I have other brother and sisters in Christ and our beliefs differ. The things that makes us related though, is our relationship with God. That is all. One thing though, please try not to make this into a debate. A discussion is fine, but please, not debating. And also, don't accuse anyone's opinions or beliefs speculation because to that person, it is not, and feelings can be hurt. And cause division amongst the board. So please... keep in mind, don't say anything that you know you wouldn't want someone to say to you. Errr sorry I didn't know that debates weren't allowed here.  We sorta debate bassic theology all the time at TBN Reason why we debate is one.... its fun  lol were all friends and these debates and I highly doubt that these debates would devide us but thats just me.... Anyways these debates are also great simply for gaining knowledge and challenging what you believe and why do you believe. Anyways if you guys don't want it here I respect you desision and won't make any more of these threads...ect  |
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Post by Michael on Mar 3, 2007 12:59:36 GMT -5
It's not the threads and topics that divide the members, but the attitute that some members get when posting. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here because no one has done it, but sometimes people start posting things like "Well, that's not right because that's not what that verse says. You've taken it out of context," and similar things.
It is okay to post discussion topics that let people learn, but when it comes to members picking sides, that's not right. It happened a lot at I forum I used to go to, and I'd rather that not happen here. So please, continue the discussion but if someone just posts their belief or opinion without support to back it, it doesn't mean that there isn't. Some people would just rather state what they believe. In the case, it's no biggie.
But please, continue because members are interested in these topics and they learn from them. Just keep in mind that it's not going to be a debate, but a discussion. ;]
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Post by savedbygrace on Mar 13, 2007 17:41:18 GMT -5
Don't worry. We won't talk about things like predestination, once saved always saved. Things like that.
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