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Oct 20, 2005 17:44:25 GMT -5
Post by bigmoira on Oct 20, 2005 17:44:25 GMT -5
How can the bible say that God loves all of us, but then go on to say that God hates hómosexuals? It doesn't make any sense. Any help in understanding would be gratefully recieved
Taa,
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Oct 20, 2005 18:08:46 GMT -5
Post by lhw on Oct 20, 2005 18:08:46 GMT -5
God doesn't hate homosexuals, He hates the act of homosexuality.
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Oct 20, 2005 18:26:06 GMT -5
Post by admin on Oct 20, 2005 18:26:06 GMT -5
Exactly, LHW. Couldn't have said it any better  Yep. God hates the bad things we do, but loves Us! Pretty awesome, eh!  |
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Oct 20, 2005 19:28:05 GMT -5
Post by lhw on Oct 20, 2005 19:28:05 GMT -5
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Oct 20, 2005 21:30:57 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Oct 20, 2005 21:30:57 GMT -5
True, the Bible does say that God loves everyone. He even demonstrated His love to us by sacrificing His Son so that all living beings could live with him in heaven. What the Bible does not say is that God hates homosexuals. If anyone believes that, they are putting their beliefs in a lie. God is love and it would only contradict Him to hate the very creations and the very things He gave His Son died for. The Bible says in Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." So homosexuality is not only a sin, but an abomination, unto God. He does not hate the sinner, only the sin. Otherwise none of us would be saved to day. Really, if He did hate both sin and sinner He could have easily destroyed us but instead He sent His Son. This act shows his love for all mankind alike. Whether they are black or white, brunette or blonde, tall, short, straight or gay. He does not base salvation on the sinner but on the sinner's desire to be righteous and to live for Him.
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Oct 23, 2005 3:14:45 GMT -5
Post by bethany54 on Oct 23, 2005 3:14:45 GMT -5
There are heaps of verses about sexual sins in the Bible. But there are heaps more about God's grace and love for us. One sin isn't any worse than another. All sins bring separation from God. But we live by grace and are no longer under the law that would condemn us because Jesus paid the price to redeem us from that law. That doesn't mean that we are free to do whatever crazy immoral or illegal thing that pops into our heads but that if we stumble and fall, He is ready to pick us up and dust us off and be in fellowship with us again.
I am leery about posting links because each of is ultimately responsible for our own relationship with the Father and each of us needs to pray ask His guidance and council. Too many sites are full of hate for anyone who is even a little different from them. Too many churches drive people further away from God with their rants on one subject or another. They forget that God is love.
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Nov 9, 2005 21:38:15 GMT -5
Post by mogget on Nov 9, 2005 21:38:15 GMT -5
i think jesus wouldn't care if someone was homosexual,
you can't help who you love, jesus loves us all so therefore he loves homosexuals too. like a father would love his child despite his/her 'faults'
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Nov 9, 2005 23:05:21 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Nov 9, 2005 23:05:21 GMT -5
Yes, God does love the homosexual but the act is an abomination to Him. So He would very much care is someone where homosexual. Sometimes you can't help the sexual confusion due to some possible problems, but through God you can find you real sexuality.
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Nov 10, 2005 9:17:42 GMT -5
Post by matthew on Nov 10, 2005 9:17:42 GMT -5
I don't believe homosexuality is completely wrong. If two people of the same sex love each other and both want to get physically intimate, because they love each other, I don't see why that's a bad thing.
The Bible never views homosexuality as a loving relationship, but rather ignores this aspect.
although, i'm not ignoring the fact that there may well be wider concerns.
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Nov 10, 2005 15:17:19 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Nov 10, 2005 15:17:19 GMT -5
M@, how con you not view it as wrong with scripture speaks against it?
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Nov 10, 2005 15:35:50 GMT -5
Post by matthew on Nov 10, 2005 15:35:50 GMT -5
The Bible doesn't speak about the love aspect of a homosexual relationship at all, so in that respect it doesn't speak against it.
although, to be honest, i'm not basing my opinion on what the Bible does, or doesn't say. I'm just reasoning it out.
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Nov 10, 2005 17:37:58 GMT -5
Post by admin on Nov 10, 2005 17:37:58 GMT -5
Time to be a bit vulnerable.... I know this is weird... but, I can understand the temptation of homosexuality and have been tempted by it. I have really had to resist the temptation and have been not sexually intimate with other females, but I have hugged them and 'snuggled' with them and had to fight sexual thoughts. And therefore, I have a sympathy and empathy for the people who practice it. Saying that, I also do believe it is against God's plan for us. I do believe it is a sin. There are other ways for 2 females or 2 males to show their love and admiration for one another other than being physical. Yes. We are to love one another. But, really, love isn't about sex. And yes. The Bible does speak against homosexuality. It says in Romans 1 that homosexuality is unnatural and indecent and is perverse. So. Yeah. We need to love everyone and love people of the same sex, but that doesn't mean it has to be physical. And yes. It is hard to resist the temptation, but we need to do it to honor God. I have other sins in my life I need to constantly resist, too. This is just one of many. |
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Nov 11, 2005 11:51:47 GMT -5
Post by matthew on Nov 11, 2005 11:51:47 GMT -5
I've also had similer experiences as a very young teenager, as well as some more recent temptations, although I would never go through with it
. I met this gay guy at an alpha course, and at the time, although i had becomne a Christian 5 or so years before, i had fallen away, and was totally questioning Christianity, and the claims of those who practiced it.
Because I suffer from pretty bad social anxiety, the only way I could attend the course and function as a human being was to drink quite a few beers in the bar of the hotel beforehand, where the alpha was being held. He had been invited by the Christian who led our group, and was only there to please that person. i was there for similer reasons too, so the highlight of the thing was basically to drink lot's of beer and chat about stuff, most of which was about the nature of being gay. I learnt quite a bit from these chats and it gave me a little bit of insight regarding was it was to be gay. Not much, just a little bit.
Anyway i ended up having a bit of a close call with this guy, mostly because i was drunk and acting and saying irresponsible things around him. I idn't see him again after that.
Whereas I would play with the idea of sleeping with another man, for this guy it was totally who he was, and it wasn't a choice, as far as i could see. His sexuality wasn't ambivilent. I don't know why, whether it's something you are born with, or if you are 'made' gay, or a bit of both, but i know that he was totally attracted to men in the same way as i am attracted to women. and that strikes me as something solidly real, and it wasn't a choice. perhaps in the past it was a choice, but i do doubt that.
anyway, i don't really know what to think to be honest. I', not prepared to condemn homosexuality on the basis of what it says in a few places in the bible. In fact i feel it's dangerous to be so highly opinionated about the subject just because of what the bible says.
Telling someone that being gay is wrong when it is a deep part of their lives, is terrible IMO, esp' if you have no real idea what you are talking about. It's better to just care for that person in the way we should care for all people, and trust God, who is the only one who really knows the answers.
I'd rather just resign myself to the fact that ultimately I don't know the undelying cause or nature of homosexuality, and untio i do know for sure, in my head and in my heart, I'm not going to condemn either the person or the thing itself.
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Nov 11, 2005 15:02:30 GMT -5
Post by admin on Nov 11, 2005 15:02:30 GMT -5
I was thinking further about this subject after I made my post.... Thinking back over my life. I realize that if I had made a few different choices, I could have easily chosen homosexuality. I have always been attracted to both sexes. When I was growing up (very young like... like around 7 or 8), I was attracted to my best friend and then later on when I became a teenager, I met another very close friend and really could see myself married to her. During this time, I also was very attracted to males, too. And because of the church I grew up in and them being a very legalistic kind of church, and me being a Christian, I never acted on my impulses with the same sex. I never even admitted it to anyone until really now. I was so brought up that it was bad, so I thought that those instincts I had for the opposite sex where completely wrong and there was something wrong and disgusting about me.
Yes. I chose the heterosexual lifestyle and am very happily married to my husband and I don't regret choosing my lifestyle. But, Matt got me thinking. Were my initial instincts to other females wrong when I was growing up or was that just another natural thing to be attracted to them. And I do have to admit that walking down the street and if I see a beautiful woman, my heart does do a bit of a skip. I don't know if that is wrong or not. I will never act on it, but is it wrong that I feel these things? Is it a sin I need to confess? Is it a temptation from Satan? I kinda wonder....
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Nov 12, 2005 15:49:20 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Nov 12, 2005 15:49:20 GMT -5
I think that it all falls into misdirected infatuation. I'm sure that everyone has had the asme experiences as you two but havn't said anything. So I believe that it is natural and just a learning process. Those who chose the heterosexual lifestyle learned that they would be more satisfied and the same with the homosexual lifestyle. But satisfication does not make anything right. Homosexuality is still wrong. Those who chose it just 'learned' in a different way, probably due to background, family influences, role models, etc. So, yeah, I don't know if that made any sense. lol...
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Nov 24, 2005 20:49:20 GMT -5
Post by mogget on Nov 24, 2005 20:49:20 GMT -5
i think its misguided to say that 'homosexuality is wrong'
who are you to judge?
200 years ago, you could be imprisoned for performing homosexual acts, before that, you could be hung. Society has moved on since then, we can love who we wish & not feel judged.
And yet, what becomes of the young catholic boy who realises he's gay?
he has to put up with the 'fact' that society may condone his acts but God thinks he's disgusting??
I very much doubt that! Jesus died for us, what more proof can you have that he loves us completely?! no matter what we do! If he can forgive people who murder children he can forgive an honest soul who just happens to be attracted to the same sex.
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Nov 24, 2005 20:59:55 GMT -5
Post by bethany54 on Nov 24, 2005 20:59:55 GMT -5
Lewis Carroll said it better than I ever could.
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Nov 25, 2005 18:23:46 GMT -5
Post by mogget on Nov 25, 2005 18:23:46 GMT -5
Lewis Carroll said it better than I ever could. sorry to sound southern american.......but AMEN! BETHANY!! AMEN! YAH!!! |
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