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Post by rachel on Apr 7, 2006 10:23:53 GMT -5
An ancient manuscript rediscovered after 1,700 years may shed light on the relationship between Jesus and Judas, the disciple said to have betrayed him. Rather than the traitor as Judas is portrayed in the New Testament, The Gospel of Judas indicates that he acted at the request of Jesus to help him shed his earthly body. Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton University, said that "the people who loved, circulated and wrote down these gospels did not think they were heretics". Terry Garcia, of the National Geographic Society, which made the manuscript public, said it was probably written around AD300 in Coptic script and was a copy of an earlier Greek manuscript. The manuscript was discovered in a desert cave in Egypt. The papyrus script, known as a codex, was found in the desert in Egypt in the 1970s and has now been authenticated by carbon dating and studied and translated by biblical scholars, National Geographic announced. Garcia said: "The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature on five fronts: radiocarbon dating, ink analysis, multispectral imaging, contextual evidence and paleographic evidence." Unlike the four gospels in the Bible, this text indicates that Judas betrayed Jesus at Jesus's own request. The text begins with "the secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot". The key passage comes when Jesus tells Judas: "You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothed me." Scholars said this indicates that Judas would help liberate the spiritual self by helping Jesus get rid of his body. Garcia said the codex "enhances our knowledge of the history and theological viewpoints of the early Christian period". Manuscript denounced The manuscript was first mentioned in a treatise in around AD180 by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon. The bishop denounced the manuscript as differing from mainstream Christianity. There were several gospels in circulation at the time in addition to the four in the Bible. When those gospels were denounced, it was thought that believers hid them away. The gospel of Judas was kept by a group called the Gnostics, who believed that the way to salvation was through secret knowledge given by Jesus to his inner circle. National Geographic said the author of the gospel of Judas believed that Judas Iscariot alone understood the true significance of Christ's teachings. |
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Post by mahud on Apr 7, 2006 11:13:17 GMT -5
That's pretty interesting. makes me want to go all scholary, and start reading lot's of books ;D. It definitely sounds like a 'Gnostic' gospel, with the bit about Judas helping Jesus crucify his Physical Self. It's interesting that the author (Judas) claimed that, he alone recieved the secret teachings of Jesus. I think a number of other Gnostic gospels make similar claims. Gwen posted something a while ago about the Da Vinci code which led me to read the Gospel of Mary, and she also had received secret knowledge (Gnosis) from Jesus.  |
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Post by Gwen on Apr 20, 2006 15:40:43 GMT -5
sorry to be the cynical pagan but isn't 'he wanted me to do it' the oldest guilt induced whine/excuse in the book?
Although, i s'pose someone had to get the ball rolling....
but seriously...whos to blame for your god shuffling off the mortal coil?
a) Judas?
b) the Romans?
c) the Jewish crowd who shouted 'Barabbas'?
d) Pontius Pilate
e) the Holy men who plotted to bring him down in the first place for being a blasphemer?
or
f) all of the above??
jesus may have needed help to 'get the ball rolling', i (naturally) have no clue, but according to Dante, Judas is never getting out of the lowest level of hell *mwahahaha*
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Post by Michael on Apr 20, 2006 16:26:28 GMT -5
hehe, very well put. *nods*
Edit: Btw, I love your new siggy/avi. ^^
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Post by mahud on Apr 21, 2006 14:00:58 GMT -5
a) Judas? b) the Romans? c) the Jewish crowd who shouted 'Barabbas'? d) Pontius Pilate e) the Holy men who plotted to bring him down in the first place for being a blasphemer? or f) all of the above?? I'd go for f. As the Gospel writers all seem to implicate all of them one way or another. |
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Post by Gwen on Apr 21, 2006 15:28:17 GMT -5
Hah, well there you have it,
p.s. cheers michael hunny, xxxxx
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Post by Michael on Apr 21, 2006 20:09:37 GMT -5
;D hehe. cH33Rs!!!
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Post by Gwen on Apr 27, 2006 21:09:02 GMT -5
lol, you my dearest michael...are nuts  |
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Post by Michael on Apr 28, 2006 6:21:30 GMT -5
D'X Aw... that hurt my feelings!!!!
lol, just kidding! I KNOW I AM! ^^ I take pride it my nuttiness!
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Post by James on Apr 30, 2006 11:15:29 GMT -5
I really want to watch a documentary on this.
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Post by Smangii on Apr 30, 2006 12:58:02 GMT -5
lol, you my dearest michael...are nuts ROFL!!! *wipes eyes* that was funny  Same! I'm so interested now ;D |
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Post by James on Apr 30, 2006 13:43:03 GMT -5
Yeah I saw it advertised on Tv and it was on the news!  |
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Post by Gwen on Apr 30, 2006 13:43:45 GMT -5
lol, you my dearest michael...are nuts ROFL!!! *wipes eyes* that was funny he knows i love him |
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Post by James on Apr 30, 2006 19:06:01 GMT -5
Hehe, love is in the air. I'm so sad. |
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Post by Michael on Apr 30, 2006 20:30:53 GMT -5
ROFL!!! *wipes eyes* that was funny he knows i love him AW!! I FEEL LOVED NOW!!! ;D Hehe, mucho lovos to you, Gwen! ^^ |
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Post by James on Apr 30, 2006 22:11:02 GMT -5
he knows i love him AW!! I FEEL LOVED NOW!!! ;D Hehe, mucho lovos to you, Gwen! ^^ You tell me to settle down! Oj. *gag* ALRIGHT!!! 'NUFF MUSHINESS!!! ^^ |
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Post by Gwen on May 1, 2006 7:03:26 GMT -5
lol awww i feel loved ;D
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Post by Michael on May 2, 2006 6:29:00 GMT -5
lol, alright, from here on out I promise to restrain myself. ;D
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Post by wraith89 on Jun 28, 2006 23:06:44 GMT -5
Um... this is Gnostic...
These guys are pro-Satan and thinks God is evil.
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