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Post by dma on Jul 30, 2006 12:54:57 GMT -5
Ok, I'm Catholic, but sometimes, I just don't believe in God. People make excuses like, "Sometimes, when you pray, God doesn't hear you". That's some stupid nuts. Honestly, how was God made? He can't just be there suddenly He couldn't have made us, 'cause then he wouldn't have given us organs/bones or a certain amount of time to live. But then, I wonder how the space was made. It's just all confusing. If I ever have kids, I don't know what to do with 'em, like say "God doesn't exist," or just teach them Catholic faith
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Post by Ifrit on Jul 30, 2006 16:50:21 GMT -5
Well you see, thats the thing no one knows. I don't want to talk about my beliefs here. So if you wish to discuss further more on it, I'll be glad to talk to you about it in pm or e-mail. Because, I to somewhat follow the direction your in. I have my own religion, things I believe in, 5 gods and each have a meaning. . . I fall faithful to that, and I have christianity as a secondary religion. . . My religion is called Nimnu (meaning deep hope.)
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Post by Michael on Jul 30, 2006 20:47:55 GMT -5
Dark Wolf, it's okay to be confused by God's existance. It is only human to not understand stand it. The Bible says that his ways are not our ways. And because of that we cannot even begin to understand him or who he is. But he is very willing to let you know who he is. He sent his son, who was God in the flesh- a God-man, if you will - and we're also told by the Bible that in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. Because our minds confine us and give our understanding limits, we are unable to understand even that statement. We are to believe it through faith. Without faith (in anything) there is no hope, and therefore no reason to live, to work, to do anything. If you'd like to read more, check out this page. It explains better than I can. Here are also a few more: 1 - 2. Well, enough on that topic. Why couldn't he have made us? Bones, organs, and all? We could not have merely come from specs of anema or one-celled creatures. It is impossible. Had evolution, though clever the theory, really happened the fossils would have shown creatures that were in the middle of evolvation. Trans-animals, if you will. Changing animals, in other words. If it were to happen, then it would only be probable that a creature die during this state and it would have shown so. Though archeologists, paleontologists, biologist, whatever kind of scientist you ask, they have yet to find a fossil showing an animal in that state. The only re ason why we say he could not have made us and resort to evolution is because humans are finite and our minds our finite. We can only understand so much. Even the greatest genius or philosopher cannot begin to understand all of who God is and why he has done what he did. As I said earlier, it is all about faith and trusting in him. We will not always have the answers for everything and for those things we must settle for no answers and look to God for guidance. As for the saying, "Sometimes, when you pray, God does not here you," is completely ignorant. Not insinuating that you are. But naturally, since the fall of Adam and Eve, we are carnal. And to hear God, we must be spiritual. The Bible says that even in the depths of the seas he is there. As high as the heavens is, he is there. Whatever the location is, he is there. The Bible also says that his ear is inclined to even our most feeble cry. He hears us, it is we who do not hear him answer. And sometimes, we don't see his answer even in plain sight. I feel as if I'm overburdening you with this post. I apologize. I hope that I was of some help.
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Post by dma on Aug 1, 2006 14:05:43 GMT -5
Dark Wolf, it's okay to be confused by God's existance. It is only human to not understand stand it. The Bible says that his ways are not our ways. And because of that we cannot even begin to understand him or who he is. But he is very willing to let you know who he is. He sent his son, who was God in the flesh- a God-man, if you will - and we're also told by the Bible that in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. Because our minds confine us and give our understanding limits, we are unable to understand even that statement. We are to believe it through faith. Without faith (in anything) there is no hope, and therefore no reason to live, to work, to do anything. If you'd like to read more, check out this page. It explains better than I can. Here are also a few more: 1 - 2. Well, enough on that topic. Why couldn't he have made us? Bones, organs, and all? We could not have merely come from specs of anema or one-celled creatures. It is impossible. Had evolution, though clever the theory, really happened the fossils would have shown creatures that were in the middle of evolvation. Trans-animals, if you will. Changing animals, in other words. If it were to happen, then it would only be probable that a creature die during this state and it would have shown so. Though archeologists, paleontologists, biologist, whatever kind of scientist you ask, they have yet to find a fossil showing an animal in that state. The only re ason why we say he could not have made us and resort to evolution is because humans are finite and our minds our finite. We can only understand so much. Even the greatest genius or philosopher cannot begin to understand all of who God is and why he has done what he did. As I said earlier, it is all about faith and trusting in him. We will not always have the answers for everything and for those things we must settle for no answers and look to God for guidance. As for the saying, "Sometimes, when you pray, God does not here you," is completely ignorant. Not insinuating that you are. But naturally, since the fall of Adam and Eve, we are carnal. And to hear God, we must be spiritual. The Bible says that even in the depths of the seas he is there. As high as the heavens is, he is there. Whatever the location is, he is there. The Bible also says that his ear is inclined to even our most feeble cry. He hears us, it is we who do not hear him answer. And sometimes, we don't see his answer even in plain sight. I feel as if I'm overburdening you with this post. I apologize. I hope that I was of some help. Thanks, you make me feel better
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Post by Michael on Aug 1, 2006 22:31:44 GMT -5
You're very welcome. I'm glad I was able to help. If you need to talk anymore, just PM me.
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Post by asiankid on Sept 26, 2006 20:45:55 GMT -5
You are right, there is no proof that God is there. There is no living evidence of his existance.
I, being a faithful Christian, have encountered God many times in my life. At first I was a non believer, I actually hated God. I hated the thought of God and all Christians. I mean, I saw Christians as stubborn people who wouldn't give up, and when I asked them about God, they would only reply to me, because the bible says so.
Well that is true, because in the bible, in Romans 1:17 it states, Christians do not live by evidence, but by faith. So there is no evidence of God, and yes there is the theory about evolution, but there is no where in the bible anything about evolution. For it clearly states that God created Adam and Eve. Who did not have a million kids, but had two children, Cain and Abel. They then had kids and finally during one generation, when God led his people to the tower of babel, and people began to worship idols, he changed their language.
He made people speak spanish, hebrew, greek, chinese, all languages, which proves the diversity we have today.
I later became a Christian when my father had problems with his appedix and was emmited to the emergency room. He later had to have surgery and every single day, the nurses had to clean out the wound. This was back in Malaysia where their hospitals weren't the best. They did not use any medication on him when they cleansed the wounds. EVery single day he was in extreme pain when they cleaned out his wound with a cotton ball with no medication. He clung on to the metal bars on the windows when the performed it.
Me and my mother were devasted at what was happening, and when the doctors told us that the infection had spread down to his lower body, and they might have to perform more surgery, we couldn't handle this anymore.
A Christian friend told us to pray but my mother refused, saying she prayed before and she never saw it worked. But I decided that it was worth a try. I mean what could I lose? So I prayed for him and the next day, he called us and said he had no pain! I was overwhelmed. I didn't tell anyone about this though. The next day I forgot to pray and when my dad called, he said he was in extreme pain again and i felt guilty. I prayed again in this manner:
Dear God,
If you are really there, please help him because he hurts everyday. Please do something to help him and bring him back soon.
I did not know how to pray at that time, and when i prayed, the next day he had no pain and the doctors said that they did not have to perform surgery! I was overjoyed.
That was how I became closer to God. You see, Christianity is not about believing in God, or in Hell and Heaven, its about actually having a relationship with Him. Everyday in the morning, I will spend 5 minutes before breakfest, just talking to him. I closed my eyes and just talked, about anything and everything. I talked about my friends, my enemies, my school work, my teachers. Just a normal conversation, which ended in Amen.
A lot of these prayers were answered the same day or the following day. But also, a lot took time for the answer to become clear. Prayers are never not answered, its just sometimes God can't allow things you pray for to happen.
God's purpose in life for us is to worship Him and tell others about Him. Spread the gospel. For he gave us free will and wanted us to love Him. Why do you think he gave Adam and Even freewill? To have minds of their owns? Why didn't He just command them to love him. Well, It's like having a dog. Would you like a real dog to love you with true love, or you building a robotic dog, and controlling his feelings to love you. It's just not the same.
And when Satan decieved Adam and Eve to eat from the forbidden tree, like Satan decieves us everyday, to steal, to lie, to cheat. And when they sinned, God banished them from his garden because God is so holy, he cannot have sin near him. But, later, since God loved us so much, he sent his one in beloved son, Jesus Christ down to earth. Because at that time before Jesus, people died and went to hell for they couldn't live with God for their sin. So Jesus came down and died for us, and ressurected again after 3 days.
When Jesus Christ bled his holy blood because He loved us, He cleansed our sins and gave us salvation, and an option of eternal life, now since through Jesus Christ, we have a chance of living with God once again. But, it's entirely up to you to accept his gracious gift. A lot of people choose to fight this gift because of stubborness, because of not enough evidence, and many other reasons. Some people make their own religions to satisfy themselves because a lot of people just can't accept facts without seeing it. But thats what Christianity is all about. It's about faith. Believing without seeing.
But how do you accept God's Salvation? God's gift to us through his Son Jesus Christ? It's easy. Just sit down, pray to God and confess that you are a sinner. Ask him to forgive you and that you believe that he sent Jesus as your Savior because he loves you.
You never know when you'll leave this earth. For earth is just a preperation for our real life. Our life after death on earth. Either in Heaven with God our Father, or in Hell. You may die this week, and if you haven't truly accepted Jesus Christ as your savior, then there will be no second chance.
In the Bible, God states that Jesus will be coming back one day, and all the followers who have passed away, will rise and stand with Him, and all the believers who are still on earth, will go up with him to heaven. God will show no mercy to the non-believers, or satinists after Jesus has come, and they will spend eternity in fiery Hell.
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Post by Michael on Sept 26, 2006 21:13:49 GMT -5
Wow, asainkid, I'm really impressed by your post. It was... touching, in a way. Especially about your father. Thank you for posting this. ;]
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