God isn't real

[Crippled Munchkin]

Well, let's say you're right. Jesus isn't the son of God. God isn't real and so on. Then what would Christians be following? a hoax? if so it's the biggest hoax in history(besides evolutionism). Why did so many people buy into the hoax then, 3 billion people over the course of 2000 years. I want you to think of it in a perspective that best can fit a perception of Christianity that most people already see. They think whatever is intangible does not exhist. Sure there's hipocricy in Christianity. Christians aren't perfect. Nobody is. If we were perfect, we wouldn't have tribulations that would bring us coser to God. Adam and Eve screwed that up, so now we stray from God and become cultists, agnostics, and people without a known purpose or direction. The whole world would be anarchy. Just a simple opinion on my part

[Guy]

Yes, interesting.

But, isn't it a little hard to just say that the reason god exists is because the world isn't anarchy?

I've come to the conclusion that people believed in god because it gave them reason to exist. It made them fell their lives had purpose.

[Crippled Munchkin]

well, what your thinking is the reason that people have come to know him. some people have. some people find evidence. there are many ways you find God. but it's not so much the reason you find God. that doesn't explain His being. it explains His character. he wants people to find him. sometimes that's through tribulations such as feeling life has no meaning. sometimes they're near death experiences. personally, i think that the best way to explain what i'm trying to say is that some people come to God for a reason. some people dont. they just grow up around Him. some people find God off their own selfish ambitions. some people find Him through pure questioning their being.

[Guy]

That really holds no proof to his extistance, just to people willing to link cause and effect and accept what they want to if he indeed doesn't exist (which can't be undermined as a "selective hearing" similarity).

[Crippled Munchkin]

ok, think of it in a practical concept. gravity exhists, doesn't it? before we discovered gravity, did apples still fall from trees?

[Guy]

Yes . . . but what does that have to do with this topic?

[Another guy]

I really wish people wouldn't just assume "He" exists. My real problem is with people who assume everyone else shares their beliefs (which were hand-fed to them by the Church anyway) and look at people funny if they say otherwise. It just shows that you're not accepting of all kinds of people.
I have no problem with religion itself. Believe whatever the hell you want to believe, it's not my business, however, when you make it someone else's business, that's when the trouble starts.
Don't sell your religion. It makes you look like an not a very nice person. And I'm so tired of hearing passages of the Bible and stuff quoted to me when I say I don't believe in God. Yeah, thanks, this 2000-year-old book is concise, undeniable evidence. Come on, can't you get any more reliable sources? If you can't, get off my doorstep and go convert someone else.
The church is also annoying. Originally, the church had purpose: keep the wenches happy so they'll keep working and not spend their time thinking about how much life sucks. With no other explanations, religion suited everyone. It kept everyone in line and happy. "Religion is the opium of the masses," as Karl Marx said.
However, with scientific explanations for everything nowadays, there is an alternative to God. However, the church doesn't want to lose it's hard-earned followers to some "reality" or whatever it's called, so they take measures to ensure slaves, erm, loyal followers. This whole concept of a God is drilled into your brain from birth. Sunday school is the worst, offering you no chance to interpret anything for yourself, and being preached to in a friendly voice. It's all propaganda.
I used to be Methodist, and I was a somewhat active member of the church. I actually believed. Then, stuff started happening. They say you get vision of God if you're near enough to dying. I've almost drowned twice, once in my blood. My own d**ned blood. I didn't see anything. I've been buried up to my neck in snow, lost in the middle of a giant forest with no food or water, and I've been in a car crash. I haven't seen crap. Adrenaline tends to slow time down, but that's it. No light, no tunnel, nothing. I spent a lot of time thinking, and then made up my own mind. I would encourage everyone to do the same. The thinking part, not the drowning in your own blood part. Decide what you want. If you still think there's a God, that's great, at least you made up your mind yourself.

[Crippled Munchkin]

ok, you've thrown me out your opinion. now, i want to ask you something to answer. can you come up with tangible evidence to prove God ISN'T real

[Crippled Munchkin]

what it has to do with this topic is the theory of gravity. do we see gravity?

[lhw]

Many people cannot see what others see. Perhaps they just need to have their eyes checked. Maybe this will help:

[Another guy]

I offer no proof that God isn't real. Except, maybe the fact that rap music exists
See, I'm not trying to convert anyone, I'm just making a suggestion.

[Crippled Munchkin]

i respect your suggestion. i am only 14 years old and haven't learned as much as others. i'm just a debater. i try to put out my suggestions to others and convince them. some people out there are radical and are changing society from one that follows a "Superior Being" to one that follows self. you have to admit not all people are perfect. asuming you're right, When we die, life ends. it's over. i can accept that. but now i want you to see from my perspective. when i die, i live eternally in bliss, being close to the Creator of mankind, while you suffer eternal d**nation in hell forever(sorry if the admins don't like this kind of talk). could you accept that? just answer, no comments

[Guy]

I guess that's like tryinng to disprove that there are naked people dancing in front of me . . . but I just can't see them, so who am I to say they aren't there.

[Crippled Munchkin]

ok, we agree you can't see gravity. now, if we made a mistake that lowered us from the expectations of a "Supreme Being", would he want to make himself shown to us?

[Guy]

crippledmunchkin said:

i respect your suggestion. i am only 14 years old and haven't learned as much as others. i'm just a debater. i try to put out my suggestions to others and convince them. some people out there are radical and are changing society from one that follows a "Superior Being" to one that follows self. you have to admit not all people are perfect. asuming you're right, When we die, life ends. it's over. i can accept that. but now i want you to see from my perspective. when i die, i live eternally in bliss, being close to the Creator of mankind, while you suffer eternal d**nation in hell forever(sorry if the admins don't like this kind of talk). could you accept that? just answer, no comments

Yes.

But why can't we comment? Kinda makes the debate one sided.

[Crippled Munchkin]

yes, but i agreed totally that i could handle eternal nothingness. but, could you handle eternal pain and suffering?

[Another guy]

crippledmunchkin said:

i respect your suggestion. i am only 14 years old and haven't learned as much as others. i'm just a debater. i try to put out my suggestions to others and convince them. some people out there are radical and are changing society from one that follows a "Superior Being" to one that follows self. you have to admit not all people are perfect. asuming you're right, When we die, life ends. it's over. i can accept that. but now i want you to see from my perspective. when i die, i live eternally in bliss, being close to the Creator of mankind, while you suffer eternal d**nation in hell forever(sorry if the admins don't like this kind of talk). could you accept that? just answer, no comments

If that's true, I won't mind. I'll know that I was wrong in my beliefs, and that my situation is a result of that. However, having read The Inferno, I'm pretty sure they'd just throw me in Limbo. Then I could hang out with the Greeks, so it'd all be good.

And the thing about not having an existence after this one: You wouldn't have to deal with it yourself, as your brain no longer functions. Not intimidating in the least, IMHO.

[Guy]

crippledmunchkin said:

ok, we agree you can't see gravity. now, if we made a mistake that lowered us from the expectations of a "Supreme Being", would he want to make himself shown to us?

Yes, but I can feel gravity, it pulls me down whether I accept it's existance or not. Perception, specifically visual perception (you can't see gravity, but you can feel it. Let's not put special meaning on on vision.) which you choose isn't all to something. Gravity has been pulling down on people far before the concept was around.

Here's the catch; I've prayed to god, right around when I started to look around on my own that came up with the possibility that he doesn't exist. I prayed to tears just to keep believing in him.

There was no sign . . . there was nothing but the ordinary.

[Crippled Munchkin]

so, you don't believe in a soul either?

[Guy]

While random that was, no.